they do not believe in a public role, clean air, safe food, food, safety, public safety, public education, public health, medicare, medicaid, social security, has no place in a free society, medicare should wither on a vine and very clear about saying that but you remember when we did this, the -- the tarp, they -- in the course of time they didn't believe in regulation, didn't believe in supervision and discipline and when the walls came tumbling down they didn't believe in intervention, we had overwhelmingly the votes to pass the tarp bill for president bush. for our country. we didn't say to him, you are on your own, baby, well to save the national -- >> rose: i will never forget -- >> we will not have an economy -- remember i told you that. >> rose: paulson came to your office and said that. >> well, ben bernanke said, hank paulson described it.